Keeping the Sabbath day

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Does anyone really keep the Sabbath day as it says in Exodus 16:29 on the Sabbath day stay in your place don't leave your place so no one can go to church on the Sabbath day as you have to stay in your place of course people will say Jesus healed the blind man on the Sabbath so you can do good on the Sabbath day going to church is good Jesus with his disciples walking through a field picked the crop that was growing in the field so Jesus was harvesting working on the Sabbath day so we must be able to work also on the Sabbath church will have to be held on another day as no one can travel on the Sabbath day it doesn't say in the bible what day to attend the synagogue or church but it can't be on the Sabbath day if you want to live by the law you have to keep all the laws God writes how it is be done not a watered down version of the Law as people are keeping then you are just messing around with God's laws but if the church did keep the Sabbath day law as it says in the Exodus 16 29 many and many people will leave the church people won't give two days to God one the Sabbath and the other day for church
 
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Please open another thread with the question, is SDA a cult - or something along those lines, then argue your case why you believe SDA is a cult. Members will respond.

I think you’re conflating issues by mixing subjects under this thread.
 
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If you read John 5:1-18 you said you can do good like go to your church and work in hospital's but other people will say why did Jesus say pick up your mat why not just get up and walk but Jesus said to pick up your mat that's is working. Then the Pharisees saw it and complained to Jesus and Jesus replyed in verse 17 my father is at he Work always and so am I. As God gave the creation to man but man sined so all that God created degraded after the Noah's flood it degraded more. That's why there's no mention of the Sabbath day from Adam to Moses creation is not how God intended it to be. So God is been working all the time to give man salvation from his sins.
 
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After more looking into the SDA church it is really a religious cult group of course the Sabbath day law is not kept as it is written and God will not require any body to keep the Sabbath day as God's creation is not as God made it at the beginning. After Adam and Eve sined creation was degraded because of sin that's why there's no mention of the Sabbath day from the time of Adam to Moses then the ten commandments where given to Israel and the Sabbath law to remember that God got them out of Egypt not the the rest as in the beginning when God made all of creation as this is now degraded. But a religious cult will make the Sabbath day law as a requirement for salvation to keep people there so saying Jesus is not enough for salvation so becoming a anti christ group really that's what any religious group teachs that Jesus is not enough they are anti christ. Jesus never said to keep the Sabbath day and he even said John chapter 5 that he's father is at work always and so am I. What work to bring salvation to people from the beginning when man sined up to now God has been working to give people salvation from their sins. You think that God is resting on the Sabbath day looking at he's creation when it is not what it is supposed to be because of man's sin but because God so loved the world he gave he's only begotten son to save the world who ever believes in him will not die but have ever lasting life that's being a Christian not saying that some law that God gave to the Jewish people that they don't have to keep anymore because of Jesus came that's why the SDA church Jehovah witness Mormons and many more religious group's are not Christian but are anti christ they are as Jesus said wolf's in sheep's clothing.
 
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In 1 Samuel 15, God commands King Saul to completely destroy the Amalekites, including all people and livestock, as a judgment for their past opposition to Israel. Saul, however, disobeys by sparing King Agag and keeping the best livestock under the guise of offering them as sacrifices to God. When the prophet Samuel confronts Saul, he claims that he obeyed God's command, despite the evidence of spared livestock. Samuel responds with the poignant statement that obeying God is more important than offering sacrifices and submitting to him is better than offering the fat of rams (vs 22), emphasizing that true devotion is shown through obedience. Because of Saul's rebellion and justification for his disobedience, God rejects him as king, signifying the beginning of the end for Saul’s reign and setting the stage for David's future leadership. This incident demonstrates that God values heartfelt obedience over justification for personal interests.

Rebellion is like the sin of witchcraft and arrogance like the evil of idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23). I am happy that the word of God is offending you. The spirit is at work. You will soon come to submission. I am praying for you.
 
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It's all old testament versus for Israelites as they were God's people it says that Christians believers are grafted into the line of Abraham but Abraham wasn't a Jew as it started from Jacob God then changed he's name to Israel. Why are you using the internet on the Sabbath day anyway ?
 
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Evakool said:
It's all old testament versus for Israelites as they were God's people it says that Christians believers are grafted into the line of Abraham but Abraham wasn't a Jew as it started from Jacob God then changed he's name to Israel
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God is the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:8). He has not changed His mind since the Old Testament times.
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Why are you using the internet on the Sabbath day anyway ?
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Because I am doing God's work.
 
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Yes Jesus said that to bad for SDA church he never said keep the Sabbath day now you don't have any excuse not to be of the Christian faith lost somewhere in the old Jewish faith even when a Jewish person becomes a Christian they don't keep the Sabbath but SDA think's well who really knows what they think and who really cares SDA picks versus from the old testament and not from the new testament when I show them versus they just ignore them just like the Jehovah witness Mormons Catholics for some reason they are always right. There's people living next door to me they don't go to any church ever they work five days a week and Saturday and Sunday they don't do anything maybe go to the beach they say they need the rest of two days as five days of work is tiring they many times give away stuff they don't want or need anymore when I say to them they could sell stuff because it's in good condition and people would pay for it they said why if someone can use it let them have it. The SDA members people I knew would never give anything away and they were always talking stuff off the kerb when people put it out they wouldn't help people outside the SDA church at all but always excpected people to help them. So the atheists are better people they have two Sabbath days Saturday and Sunday and give good things away and when people come to their door to collect money for charity they give quite a big amount I heard and seen it they don't even believe in God. But the believers or supposed to be don't do anything for anyone.
 
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There is one law (10 commandments) and one lawgiver (God). You cannot choose to obey part of the law and neglect the rest. Salvation is by grace. The grace teaches to abhor sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. If you choose to be a Christian, you follow Christ and do as per His commandment. Anything else is a nullity.
 
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For get Act's chapter 10 you probably wouldn't understand it anyway you just don't understand anything in the bible. You say a law can't be changed or added to that's what you have done from staying at home on the Sabbath day and from working to some work you just make up what suites your religious cult your group is just lieing to keep people there you are really just atheists you don't have any salvation for your sins because of your lies. Why don't you just not work on a Saturday like the people next door and not go to a SDA religious cult group it's still keeping the Sabbath day and you don't have to go to a meeting where they will just talk about keeping the Sabbath nothing else SDA don't believe anything but that's all they teach is one law that's it and they can't even keep that the right way Just another cult that's heading to nowhere. And you should find out more about your Mrs White she made up lots of what she wrote it's not in the bible but she saw visions from who and what it's not from God as only Jesus was the last Prophet if she said that all SDA members should jump off a cliff you and most of the SDA members would do it as her words are better than the bible she didn't make it to heaven and so a group of people who believe in her want to go where she ended up.
 
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If there is one thing you can never shame me about, it's my desire to know God.

I wish you knew the freedom I enjoy in Christ. I harbour no hate in my heart, unlike what you have exhibited throughout this entire thread. I hope you find peace.

I refuse to play your ping pong game anymore.
 
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Of course what you have just written can be believable if you where a Christian but from a religious cult member I can't really believe you. For many reasons but one main reason is the SDA think they are the only real believers in 2 Corinthians 10:12 it talks about a self righteous group of people always reminds me of the SDA when I read it all religious cults say they are the only way to heaven but a Christian church group will only say Jesus is the only way. Even when a person explains to them the faults of their beliefs and they understand it they will not repent and leave their group because of pride can't admit they have been wrong I have seen it with Jehovah witness Mormons and of course SDA all have decided that they will tell God the way to heaven I wouldn't even call the SDA a church just SDA cult. You think that saying enjoying freedom in Christ and other stuff like that shows you are a real believer no Jehovah witness Mormons talk the same it's when you go to their meetings they act like they don't even really know about Jesus I have been to SDA about 12 times and it was the same I thought that time why people even come here might as well go to a Catholic church like now stupid just talking about Sabbath what about the other nine laws never talk about them just one law that's it that's going to save you. Then Jesus shouldn't of came it should just say in the bible keep the Sabbath and that's it. I remember when I went to SDA the people there looked glazey faceted so maybe they are not to bright the one's that knew and their friends all seemed not to smart when I talked to them even one of them said that I should attend SDA as they have a Prophet who could see the future I said what about Jesus she said well he is a angel not a man.
 
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I was a Catholic before I became an SDA. Your argument falls flat on its face. You don't know what you are talking about. You keep calling cult and you don't even know what a cult is. Someone brainwashed you and you believed. You cannot even make a coherent case out of your lame accusations - just going on a rant and name calling. You ask questions, we give you answers. Then you deflect (a ping pong strategy that has not worked for you very well).

I enjoy freedom because I am not worried about breaking the law (you asked if it is possible to keep the law as written and you are really concerned if anyone actually does that). I know that I cannot keep the law by my own power. I submit to Christ and He works through me. In short, I keep the law because I am saved; I don't keep the law so that I can be saved. Easy.

Even when a person explains to them the faults of their beliefs and they understand it they will not repent and leave their group because of pride can't admit they have been wrong I have seen it with Jehovah witness Mormons and of course SDA all have decided that they will tell God the way to heaven I wouldn't even call the SDA a church just SDA cult
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Proud people are everywhere, including inside the church. Church is sanitarium for sinners. That is where you expect to find sinners. Unfortunately, many sinners who seek the presence of the Lord fail to receive the transformative power of Christ. They wear the garb of piety attend church as a formality. Jesus himself saw this in His day and gave a warning in Mathew 7:22.

I am curious to know, why are you so obsessed with a cult?

Then Jesus shouldn't of came it should just say in the bible keep the Sabbath and that's it. I remember when I went to SDA the people there looked glazey faceted so maybe they are not to bright the one's that knew and their friends all seemed not to smart when I talked to them even one of them said that I should attend SDA as they have a Prophet who could see the future I said what about Jesus she said well he is a angel not a man.
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Follow Christ. People will disappoint you.

It is evident that you have anger issues because all this rant cannot be attributed to the engagement arising from this thread. I gave you contacts for the church administration because I made it clear that I do not work for the church. You did not even make an effort to reach out to them to seek redress for the issues you are raising concerning the church. You have gone ahead to change the tangent of the discussion from the original thread topic; you are now on full attack mode. Please, reach out to the church leadership through the contact information provided and air your personal issues to them. They are better placed to address them. Here, we discuss faith issues, not administration issues.

Let me repeat, I am happy that the Sabbath offends you because Christ is the rock of offense to the unbeliever (1 Peter 2:8).
 
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You can read Galatians 2:16 about people who think that they are righteous because of keeping the law read all of Galatians it's not a very big book as Paul was writing to the Galatians who wanted to go back to the law keeping Paul was telling them if you go back to the law Christ is of no value to you. The SDA group will say it does not include Sabbath law or they will say it was one of the other laws not the ten commandments law but Paul just says law you know law and commandments that's all SDA care's about but one only Sabbath law because that is what keeps the people there otherwise they will leave when people start saying it doesn't include that or this law I ask show me in the bible from Adam to Moses where it even mentions any law's to keep they will say it says keep the commandments then if you say that how would anyone know what commandments when it doesn't say what to keep they will then say that I make the bible mean anything I want it to mean you see how a cult teachs people just say something stupid and that makes them right. I would say no show me where it says any law's from Adam to Moses they can't so I show them Galatians 2:16 and they will say something stupid again as they walk around thinking they have self righteous by keeping one of the laws they forget to keep the other law's in the ten commandments so breaking one law they have broken all the laws I would show you the this verse and chapter but you can find it your self Galatians will be enough for you at this time.
 
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Religious cults don't like to look at verses in the bible that doesn't match their teachings because if their members study these verses they will find the truth and leave so they don't like to talk about it.
 
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Revelation 14:6

6Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people

7And he said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come. Worship the One who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and the springs of waters.

9And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,

10he too will drink the wine of God’s anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.


Note Revelation 14:12

12Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The apostle John wrote the book of Revelation in the A.D 90's whilst imprisoned by the Roman Emporer Domitian on the Isle of Patmos.

That's 60 years after the crucifixion of Christ.

If you are right about the commandments, how is it that the apostle John describes saints as individuals who keep the commandments and the faith of Jesus?

It's pretty obvious from that text that salvation has two comittments from humanity. These are:

1. Obedience to Gods commandments
2. Faith in the Gospel of Jesus.

You have spend a great deal of time in this thread trying to prove to yourself that individuals who try to obey the commandments.... (with Gods help because our own efforts are filthy rags), and have faith that Christs righteousness and death is sufficient for paying the wages of sin on our behalf....you claim those individuals described in Revelation 14.12 are heretics.

If you want to prove adventism is a cult, first illustrate and explain, using appropriate academic referencing, what your research shows Revelation chapter 14:6-12 means and that the reading above is flawed.
 
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