Keeping the Sabbath day

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Does anyone really keep the Sabbath day as it says in Exodus 16:29 on the Sabbath day stay in your place don't leave your place so no one can go to church on the Sabbath day as you have to stay in your place of course people will say Jesus healed the blind man on the Sabbath so you can do good on the Sabbath day going to church is good Jesus with his disciples walking through a field picked the crop that was growing in the field so Jesus was harvesting working on the Sabbath day so we must be able to work also on the Sabbath church will have to be held on another day as no one can travel on the Sabbath day it doesn't say in the bible what day to attend the synagogue or church but it can't be on the Sabbath day if you want to live by the law you have to keep all the laws God writes how it is be done not a watered down version of the Law as people are keeping then you are just messing around with God's laws but if the church did keep the Sabbath day law as it says in the Exodus 16 29 many and many people will leave the church people won't give two days to God one the Sabbath and the other day for church
 
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This is the way of religious cult's always make another way in John 14:6 it says. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life there is no other way to the father but by me. No mention of keeping any law's or belonging to a religious group.
 
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Seeing as you have concluded that SDA is a cult, I have nothing else to say to you that will convince you otherwise. It also appears that you have a problem with the Sabbath.

It is evident that you did not read any of the references I gave, including the fundamental beliefs of the SDA church (which have accompanying video explanations). I honestly do not want to engage in baseless arguments because they benefit nothing and only works to the ruin of those who listen to them (2 Timothy 2:14).

May the grace of God be with you as you seek to find the truth and when you find it, may you fall on it and be broken because if it falls on you, there will be nothing left (Mathew 21:44).
 
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There might be more to the SDA church then I thought. as I said people I knew who are SDA church members used to go for drives on the Sabbath day they said to look at creation that is allowed on the Sabbath and they said not to eat meat I thought are they Greene's in Roman's 1:25 people worshipped creation and Greene's don't eat meat but in Genesis 9:3-6 God told Noah that he can eat meat so has the SDA church taken the creation Sabbath day as to worship creation not the creator as it says in Roman's because when I went SDA church meetings hardly Jesus was mentioned but the Sabbath creation was lot's of time's and not to eat meat also
 
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There might be more to the SDA church then I thought. as I said people I knew who are SDA church members used to go for drives on the Sabbath day they said to look at creation that is allowed on the Sabbath and they said not to eat meat I thought are they Greene's in Roman's 1:25 people worshipped creation and Greene's don't eat meat but in Genesis 9:3-6 God told Noah that he can eat meat so has the SDA church taken the creation Sabbath day as to worship creation not the creator as it says in Roman's because when I went SDA church meetings hardly Jesus was mentioned but the Sabbath creation was lot's of time's and not to eat meat also
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The idea of creation Sabbath is not to worship nature because that will be in contravention to the first commandment. It is designed to get you out of your routine so that you can be truly detached from your secular activities, both physically and psycho-socially You appreciate the beauty of nature (you'll be surprised how many people lack this privilege!) as you appreciate the handywork of God and meditate on the thought that the word of God brought all that into existence. The song below summarises this idea and is supported by the following biblical texts - (Nehemiah 9:5; Psalm 8:1-9, 19:1-4, 30:12, 52:9, 66:5, 86:12, 89:1, 115:18, 145:1-2, 145:21; Jeremiah 10:6; Isaiah 53:1-12; Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45; John 1:29, 3:16; Acts 4:12, 20:28; Romans 1:18-20, 5:6-10, 6:23, 1 Corinthians 1:30, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Galatians 1:3-4, 3:13; Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:14; 1 Timothy 2:6; Titus 2:14; Hebrews 9:12, 15, 22, 26; 1 Peter 1:17-21, 2:24; 1 John 1:7, 2:1-2; and Revelation 5:9-13).

Video: Fountainview Academy

As far as I am concerned, I have never read any law in the SDA church forbidding eating meat. What exists is an advisory/counsel on health and diet, especially during these days when a lot of food contains toxic elements (scientific journals are awash with evidence!). The advisory is given for your health's sake. Healthy body allows you to work for God without much hindrance. Healthy mind allows you to meditate on God's word with insightful discernment. Because this is an advisory/counsel, you have the choice to make whether you want to embrace the lifestyle or not. No one is ex-communicated for eating meat. Also remember, no one eats their way into heaven (Romans 14:17-20).

Tip: Next time you go to the SDA church and see something questionable to you, ask them why that is so and ask them to explain what they are doing with scriptural support. Seventh-day Adventists have been taught to be ready to give answers for their faith in whatever circumstances (1 Peter 3:15-17).
 
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Ok just one more question what is meant by Sabbath blessings I came across it quite a few times as I was looking into the SDA never heard it before
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The Sabbath blessings come from the opportunity to take restorative rest, reflect, and enjoy life, following the example set by God at creation. By observing the Sabbath, we can experience mental, physical, and spiritual benefits.

To reap these blessings, you can:
  1. Take a Full Day of Rest: Dedicate the seventh day to rest, just as God did, allowing time for reflection and enjoyment of life.
  2. Disconnect from Obligations: Try to detach from the workweek by preparing ahead, finishing tasks by Friday, and setting aside 24 hours to rest.
  3. Enjoy Nature and Creation: Spend time appreciating God's creation, which can include spending time outdoors or reflecting on the blessings and comforts in your life (cf - response to your other question about nature Sabbath).
  4. Engage in Worship and Reflection: Use the Sabbath to pray, read Scripture, and appreciate the good things that come from God.
  5. Perform Acts of Kindness: Help others, as an expression of God's loving and relational nature. Jesus performed a lot of acts of kindness on the Sabbath that put Him at loggerheads with the religious leaders. Follow Jesus, not the religious leaders.
 
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Yes they don't say you can't eat meat but the people I knew said the SDA members who don't eat meat look down at the members who still eat meat. I still can not find any where in the new testament that says anything but to believe in Jesus name and you will be saved it doesn't say keep the Sabbath day as well as believe in Jesus SDA church has made the Sabbath day God and saviour to them it's all about Sabbath day keeping read these versus John 14:6 Matthew 7:13 acts 10:43 Romans 10:9 act's 4:12 act's 16:31 Romans 5:1 Romans 3:3-14 there many more the whole new testament is full of them all saying that Jesus is the way only one way is Jesus. Show me in the new testament where it says believe in Jesus and also keep the Sabbath day SDA church is belittling Jesus by saying Jesus is not enough.
 
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I did watch some videos on what the SDA church believe and the people I knew sent me quite a few DVDs about the end times and now all the people who don't keep the Sabbath day are finished. I said I went to SDA church services many times but hardly ever heard Jesus mentioned just Sabbath day so many times it seems that the SDA church is the saviour of the world not Jesus that's the message that came through the Sabbath day is going to save people now and then Jesus would be mentioned but only to confirm that you must keep the Sabbath day there are other churches who also keep the Sabbath day but still they are wrong and no good that's what was in the DVDs they sent me every one is doomed except SDA church
 
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Evakool said:
Show me in the new testament where it says believe in Jesus and also keep the Sabbath day
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I have already provided enough verses showing that salvation is by faith in Jesus. This same Jesus says, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments (John 14:15)." Last I checked, keeping the Sabbath is the fourth commandment.

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SDA church is belittling Jesus by saying Jesus is not enough
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I would love to read the evidence where you got this from.

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people who don't keep the Sabbath day are finished
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Anyone who does not believe in the saving grace of God is finished. Anyone who sins (transgresses the law - 1 John 3:4) and does not repent is finished. The law is a mirror that points one's errors but cannot and does not have the power to save, except the grace of God (Galatians 3:24). Jesus saves those who repent and seek his grace. And when he has forgiven the repentant sinner, he tells them, "Neither do I condemn thee: go and sin no more" (John 8:11).

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I did watch some videos on what the SDA church believe and the people I knew sent me quite a few DVDs about the end times and now all the people who don't keep the Sabbath day are finished. I said I went to SDA church services many times but hardly ever heard Jesus mentioned just Sabbath day so many times it seems that the SDA church is the saviour of the world not Jesus that's the message that came through the Sabbath day is going to save people now and then Jesus would be mentioned but only to confirm that you must keep the Sabbath day there are other churches who also keep the Sabbath day but still they are wrong and no good that's what was in the DVDs they sent me every one is doomed except SDA church
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In Mathew 16:6, "Then Jesus said to them, 'Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.'” The Pharisees and Sadducees continue with us today. These are two extreme groups that you will find in any group/faith. One group believes they are saved by their works and the other believes they are saved in their sins. One group is intolerant strict applicators of the law while the other compromises at any given opportunity, the end justifies the means for them. Hypocrisy and unbelief. You will find them everywhere and in all denominational and non-denominational congregations.

Now, since observing the Sabbath is such a problem to you, do you have a problem with the other commandments as well? For instance, should we also abolish the sixth commandment, "Thou shall not kill" or any other commandment apart from the fourth?

In a world where the theory of evolution takes precedence, there is every motive to try to remove any reference to God as the creator of the universe. Guess which commandment asserts the authority of God as the creator of the universe!

I will leave you with the words of Joshua, "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" (Joshua 24:15). You have the choice to make whether you will love Jesus and keep his commandments or not.
 
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Evakool said:
Here are some of Jesus commandments in Matthew 5:21-48 read all of them doesn't say nothing about Sabbath day keeping
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I get it. If you don’t want to keep the Sabbath, you don’t need anybody to help you justify your conceited belief. Just go ahead and do as you wish. I think I have provided consistent proof in all this thread. I will not be the one to help you justify why you break the Sabbath law.

Vs 48 of the text you have provided says that you should be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. The father in heaven keeps the Sabbath and commands all who obey Him to do the same. How will you be like Him when you don’t want to do as He does and commands you to do?

My input has not moved a needle and seemingly, it won’t, even if we dwelt on this subject over the next few weeks. You are free to believe and do as you wish.
 
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I read Exodus 20:8-11 again and again it says don't do any work or your son or daughter male servant or female servant or a foreigner in your town. So does that mean if you run out of milk or bread or some food you can't ask the next door neighbour that doesn't keep the Sabbath day to go and get some for you is that what it means.
 
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Evakool said:
I read Exodus 20:8-11 again and again it says don't do any work or your son or daughter male servant or female servant or a foreigner in your town. So does that mean if you run out of milk or bread or some food you can't ask the next door neighbour that doesn't keep the Sabbath day to go and get some for you is that what it means.
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What do you think?
 
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It seems I was right after all no one really keeps the Sabbath day as it says in Exodus 20:8-11 do not make a foreigner do any work that means don't let anyone do any work for you on the Sabbath day even if they are not a believer. Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem in the Orthodox area shut all the streets so no one can drive through they turn off power to their house because the power station is being run by people working on the Sabbath day and they don't travel because traffic lights use power and if there is a car crash or break down police will have to come and sort it out making them work on the Sabbath day that's why it says stay in your place on the Sabbath day by travelling you are making other people work on the Sabbath. SDA church only says they keep the Sabbath day just to keep people there otherwise they wouldn't have many members they have to make out that thay are the only ones who believe but they don't keep the Sabbath day at all.
 
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It seems to me that a Christian Protestant church does not want to get people to just join their church domination but wants person to believe in Jesus as Lord and saviour to be saved from their sins but a religious cult always wants people to join their religious group and do as they say they don't worry about teaching that Jesus saves and that Jesus is the only true way to God and heaven religious cults just want to keep people under their control and make up that only in their religious group people can be saved Jehovah witness Mormons and seven day Adventist all say the same stay here where we can keep you under our thumb. They are not a Christian church at all they lie to keep people there with their rules and regulations. Jesus said many will come in my name but are fulse prophet's and wolf's in sheep's clothing.
 
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There is liberty of worship. Whatever tickles your fancy. I just won't be giving you the validation that you seek because the premise is unfounded.
 
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There is only liberty in Jesus that's what the whole new testament is about. You have made the Sabbath day a god that's what I said before in Romans they worship creation not the creator that's Jesus the Sabbath can not save you of your sins only Jesus can wash away your sins you are trying to wash your sins by work's not by grace of God.
 
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Isn't it interesting how you keep referencing grace, yet the bible teaches that those who are under grace can no longer continue in sin (Romans 6:15) and sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). We need the grace of God to even obey the commandments (Titus 2:11-14). For this reason, you cannot claim that you are saved by grace, yet you continue in sin (transgression of the law). To have been truly saved, you must keep the commandments (which you can only do by the grace of God) and have the testimony of Jesus (Revelation 12:17). No one can do all these by their own sheer will, it takes the grace of God.

Scrolling back through my thread replies, it will be immediately evident that you are bearing a false witness. So, you not only have a problem with the 4th commandment but the 9th as well.

It is clear that you have an ill motive. You cannot drag me down there because I am aware of the devices. Expect no further responses from me if you’re going to continue with the smear campaign and baseless arguments.
 
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Evakool said:
What do you think that a religious cult is what defines a religious cult to you ? Any thought's of your own?
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Evakool,
I am mew to this forum and this is my first post.

I am 53 and am a seventh day Adventist ministers son...a "PK".

I studied and became a high school teacher although have worked outside of teaching for many years now.

I have read bits and pieces of your posts above and it seems to me that no matter what evidence is being presented, you incessantly rebut those evidences with wives tales that you have picked up either online or from other individuals.

Can I just ask that you focus on evidences provided.

If someone says to you, my name is Adam and show you my birth certificate proving that claim , and third party individuals online who do not know me decide to engage in the spread of wives tales in their ignorance saying "his name is peter", wouldnt you think Adam knows his own name and given a birth certificate proves it, then the wives tales are fabricated?

This is exactly what you are doing with your line of questioning above.

SDAs have a publicly available document of beliefs. We have the second largest private education system in the world (Catholics the largest). What we believe and teach is no secret...and none of it evidences the claims we are a cult!

The idea you can call a denomination a cult when they do not blindly follow a single leader, or engage in authoritarian type religious habits where immoral and/or illegal behaviour is prevalent... how the heck can you believe SDAs are a cult?

You know one guy who calls us a cult online? Fundamentalist independent baptist Pastor Stephem Anderson...a man whos oldest 4 children have come out publicly naming him as a child abusing, wife abusing, authoritative liar who is inferring someone should kill his own oldest 4 children for outing him!

Are you honestly going to believe a man of that callibre and his claims we are a cult? None of the supposed evidence used to claim we are a cult is actually true. Not a single piece. Our fundamental beliefs prove its not true. Even the claim that we believe Ellen White is a prophet does not prove cult status...the Roman Catholics believe the pope has the power to forgive sins and intercede directly to God. All Evangelical Christians know the bible says no man other than Christ can intercede on our behalf...so would you agree that is an example of a cult? My understanding is, Christianity does not call the Catholic Church a cult and yet they follow the doctrines of a Pope largely without question.

Finally, these curve ball Sabbath questions..."what if my fuse box blew a fuse"

Those lines of reasoning have already been emphatically addressed...

Christs disciples picked and ate ears of corn on the Sabbath.

If your animal gets trapped in a pit on the Sabbath, go and get it out!

If a man is set upon by a group of robbers and mugged...be the good Samaritan, rescue the guy and pay for his medical expenses...even on the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is not a doctrine of restriction...its an opportunity to get away from the work week and have some fun engaging with God (and His Creation). Heading out to a gambling place (like a casino) is not what God had in mind there...that is not only ungodly, but doesn't give a rats about engaging with our Creator.

The Sabbath was initiated during Creation...at the end of it. Its a doctrine specifically aimed at remembering that we are created by a God who loves us and wants to communicate With us...to enjoy Creation with us.

Yes he appears to do that silently, but He is right there beside us. I believe that because historically, we know that New Testament writers all really existed and we have history of a large portion of the Old Testament as well. Given they are harmonious, that's too much of a coincidence for it not be true. I would suggest that you genuinely take an interest in studying ancient biblical history...starting with early church writers such as origen, tertullian, papius, eusebius, and particularly Josephus.

Some of the above were alive during the time of the apostles Ministries...they support the biblical narrative based on that witness.

Also, study some of the ancient artefacts...dead sea scrolls, the silver scrolls, cuniform tablets of ancient chaldeans, the Rosetta stone...there is a wealth of evidence available.

(I suggested the historical study because increasingly in Christianity, the literal history of the bible is being questioned and discredited with wives tales and unbiblical human reasoning (influenced by naturalism/uniformatarianism). This alienates churches like ours from mainstream Christianity because of the rise of Theistic Evolution in the Christian church...and adds to the claim of SDAs being called a cult).
 
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